tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7686742259258701545.post5317638780114247676..comments2024-03-28T09:29:23.550+00:00Comments on Strategic Human Capital Management (HCM) Blog: Profits aren’t Everything, People Count Too!Jon Inghamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05553537200734270043noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7686742259258701545.post-19997248337490435412010-11-04T21:47:14.689+00:002010-11-04T21:47:14.689+00:00If only there were more companies like Timpson’s....If only there were more companies like Timpson’s. Seth Godin fights also for respect of employees and customers before profit... it is investment in long term profit.Innovative Business Intelligencehttp://www.business-intelligence-secrets.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7686742259258701545.post-60808496932508095552009-09-10T08:18:22.272+01:002009-09-10T08:18:22.272+01:00Hi Yuvarajah, thanks for the clarification, and on...Hi Yuvarajah, thanks for the clarification, and once again, I entirely agree. Your values, Jo's honour and Bay's principles seem to be at the heart of the debate here.Jon Inghamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05553537200734270043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7686742259258701545.post-72081382193171147632009-09-10T03:52:59.366+01:002009-09-10T03:52:59.366+01:00Hi Jon,
Yes, I did accuse you of going against th...Hi Jon,<br /><br />Yes, I did accuse you of going against the grain. But it was in an envious and complimentary way in supporting an alternative strategy that "may" work just as well, if not better, for some companies, industries or leaders. <br /><br />So how does Cloutier's ideas or prescriptions differ in content?. One word - values?. <br /><br />What do people "really" value and want in life. Should fundamental desire should more or less dictate and shape the way how books, <br /><br />To me, as a HR leader and given this time, age and reality check, it sounds absolutely wacky and perverse. But, if he still can find an ardent following for his "unconventional" wisdom and model, then who are we to judge his school of thought?.<br /><br />What I think is not important but I am still curious to know how he pull's it off ?. Will it spread like wild fire and be the next silver bullet?. <br /><br />As a TQM disciple I know well enough to appreciate questioning status quo, brain-busting and challenging conventional wisdoms. But, if there is one thing I am obsessively and uncompromisingly protective, it is about promoting the values of pursuing balance work-life. I think leaders(consultants included) should be responsible to the eco-system and propagate the concept of value based leadership vis a vis cumulative affect on not just the survival of business but on coomunity, society and future generation. <br /><br />To mess with strategies is one thing, but to short change on values is something else.Yuvahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04401377892527836579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7686742259258701545.post-91029474204842540552009-09-09T15:25:05.009+01:002009-09-09T15:25:05.009+01:00Thanks Sakib, Jo,Bay and Yuvarajah. All great com...Thanks Sakib, Jo,Bay and Yuvarajah. All great comments.<br /><br />Sakib, Jo and Bay, I'm particularly honoured to have your comments since you have such great blogs as your own (even if they're new ones in Sakib's case).<br /><br />Yuvaraja, thanks for another great comment. However, I do remember that you've accused me of going against conventional wisdom in the past. Which I took very positively - hopefully correctly (ie I hope you didn't find my own previous comments wacky and perverse!).Jon Inghamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05553537200734270043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7686742259258701545.post-76769357741208193002009-09-01T01:48:48.137+01:002009-09-01T01:48:48.137+01:00It's quite hard to swallow. And this guy is co...It's quite hard to swallow. And this guy is considered an ACE?. <br /><br />Unbelievable as it may look, I am curious to know, "how come his "toxic" ideas has a following?". I mean, for a consultant to come up with such a controversial and uncharacteristic offerings that goes against conventional wisdom, is totally wacky and perverse. I am interested to know what sort of leaders would go along and what sort of people would work under such C&C conditions?.Yuvahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04401377892527836579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7686742259258701545.post-75086096216165014482009-08-27T09:03:38.481+01:002009-08-27T09:03:38.481+01:00I really find it hard to believe that anyone can b...I really find it hard to believe that anyone can be touting these archaic principles at a time when even the government is promoting the need for greater employee engagement as a primary means to improve productivity.<br /><br />The obsession with profits, rather than value, is the single main cause of the economic mess we are currently in. The recession (like all others) has proved that super-profits are a fallacy and that profits average out over time. The only way to sustain success is to have engaged people who provide a superior service and that is impossible with the draconian command and control approaches described.Bayhttp://www.zealise.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7686742259258701545.post-42702582563638436652009-08-26T13:00:20.177+01:002009-08-26T13:00:20.177+01:00Maybe it is just an oddity of north Bucks, Jon, bu...Maybe it is just an oddity of north Bucks, Jon, but what has surprised me here is the level of "honour" in the business community. It goes well beyond good business. There is actually a honour code that is noticeable in shop after shop.<br /><br />People do do unscrupulous and discourteous things but they are remembered for decades. It seems people enjoy behaving well.<br /><br />Behaving badly, I suspect, is more 'because I can'. The system puts people in positions of power and they can use the power as they choose without much effect either way. Without having read the book, the story line goes something like this.<br /><br />I got lucky and got into a position where I could run a business. As the luck had little to do with me, whatever I do doesn't mater. So, what will I do? It pleases me to feel in charge and important, so I tried and I found I could convert my earlier luck into this fantasy of mine. See, you can do it too!<br /><br />And it follows, we can do whatever we like with any position that we find ourselves in. <br /><br />The question of how we find that freedom - that is another question that he didn't address and that few of these books address. That would be a collective story, would it not? <br />How a community travelled the road and found greater meaning & well being? Greater friendship and respect with people around them. So it would include their stories too?Johttp://flowingmotion.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7686742259258701545.post-75087836291350854532009-08-25T22:04:05.950+01:002009-08-25T22:04:05.950+01:00Sheesh! Some of the ideas are simply outrageous! F...Sheesh! Some of the ideas are simply outrageous! Forget about putting people first, they are not even second or third. Well done Mr. Cloutier.Sakib Khanhttp://www.sakibkhan.comnoreply@blogger.com